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IT 供应商与客户之间商务谈判视频
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Meeting 会议Negotiation 谈判入门模拟Conflict Management 冲突管理技术产品经理项目经理英式
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Sabina Kolbeck is the head of Save-It
萨宾娜·科尔贝克是拯救组织的负责人
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an IT firm
一家IT公司
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that has been contracted by QPG to update their website
QPG已经签约更新他们的网站
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and build them a new intranet
并为他们建立一个新的内部网
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she is having a video conference with Matt
她正在和Matt进行视频会议
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the head of IT at QPG
QPG的IT主管
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they are reaching the end of their meeting
他们的会议快结束了
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OK so is that everything
好的,这就是一切吗?
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nearly
差不多了
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there's just one thing left
只剩下一件事了
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which has come to me from my finance director
这是我的财务总监给我的
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oh yes
哦,是的
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your invoice of last month
你上个月的发票
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there's a supplementary charge for the website
网站要额外收费
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that's right
没错
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are you talking about
你是在说
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the extra costs for the marketing pages
营销页面的额外费用
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yes
是的
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why isn't that work included as part of the main cost
为什么这项工作不包括在主要成本中?
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well because when we drew up the contract
因为当我们起草合同时
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70% of the fee was for the intranet costs
70%的费用用于内部网费用
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as it was going to be a much more complex project
因为这将是一个更复杂的项目
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but your marketing department
但是你的营销部门
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has requested many changes and additions
要求进行许多更改和添加
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which weren't part of the agreement
这不是协议的一部分
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but there's a clause in the contract
但合同中有条款
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which covers additional work
其中包括额外的工作
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well it says
上面写着
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any additional work will be charged over and above the agreed fee
任何额外的工作将被收取超过约定的费用
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yes I know the clause you mean
是的,我知道你说的是哪一条
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but it also says
但它也说
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that any fee for this kind of work must be agreed by both parties
这种工作的任何费用必须由双方同意
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but when your marketing people emailed me with their requests
但是当你的营销人员给我发电子邮件提出他们的要求时
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I checked with you at the time
我当时和你核实过了
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but only the actual changes
但只针对实际的变更
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so you're saying we should have renegotiated on this price
所以你是说我们本应该重新协商这个价格。
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I'm saying we should have discussed any additional fees
我是说我们本应该讨论所有额外费用
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I wasn't aware that this part of the job was going to be costed separately
我不知道这部分工作要分开计算
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look I'm sure we can resolve this
听着我相信我们能解决这个问题
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how would you feel about including this cost in the intranet costs
您如何看待将此成本包括在内部网成本中?
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because that side of the project has in fact been easier than any of us expected
因为项目的这一方面实际上比我们任何人预期的都要容易
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but they are two different jobs
但它们是两种不同的工作
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I don't think we can talk about them as the same thing
我觉得我们不能把它们当作一回事来谈
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the fact is that website has become a much bigger project than we originally agreed on
事实是网站已经成为一个比我们最初同意的要大得多的项目
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so I'm sorry but we can't agree to that
所以我很抱歉但我们不能同意
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there is also an issue of the late fee
还有滞纳金的问题
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both projects have run overtime
两个项目都超时了
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and there's a clause in the contract for this
合同中有一个条款
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yes but Matt come on
是的,但 Matt,拜托
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the intranet is ready
内网准备好了
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more or less we still have some glitches
我们或多或少还是有些小故障
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well the website is only delayed because of marketing
好吧,网站只是因为营销而延迟
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look what are your main concerns here
看看你最关心的是什么
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the dates for this or just the amount of the last invoice
这个的日期还是只是最后一张发票的金额?
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well both Sabina
好吧两个Sabina
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I'm under a lot of pressure from my people
我的人给了我很大的压力
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asking why there are so many delays
问为什么有这么多延误
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and now there are additional costs
现在还有额外的费用
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OK Matt
行马特
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let's see if we can work this out
让我们看看能不能解决这个问题
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I want to check I understand you correctly first
我想先确认一下我是否准确理解了你的意思
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so your main concern is the existence of additional costs when there are delays
所以你主要担心的是延误时产生的额外费用
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and the fact that people are putting you under pressure
以及大家给你的压力
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is that right
是这样吗?
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that's it
没错
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OK well
好吧
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I think we may be able to resolve this
我想我们也许能解决这个问题
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I can probably work something out
我也许能想出办法
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regarding the fees on this occasion
关于这次的费用
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but my main concern is that
但我最担心的是
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I don't want to find myself in a position in the future where I don't get paid for additional work requested by other departments
我不想发现自己将来处于一个位置,在那里我不能为其他部门要求的额外工作获得报酬
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does that make sense
这样说合理吗?
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sure
当然
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in which case
在这种情况下
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what I propose is this
我的建议是这样的
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first let's forget the additional fee for this month
首先让我们忘记这个月的额外费用
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in return
作为回报
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would you agree to dropping any late fees this time
这次你同意免除任何滞纳金吗?
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I think that would be OK
我想那没问题
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I'm still concerned about the delays though
不过,我仍然担心延误。
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absolutely
当然
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I quite understand
我挺理解的
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so the second part of my proposal relates to the delays
所以我提议的第二部分与延误有关
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now obviously
现在显然
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there's nothing I can do about delay so far
到目前为止,我对延迟无能为力
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and as I say
正如我所说
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I think these have come from both sides
我认为这些来自双方
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the problem has been more to do with the communication between us
问题更多地与我们之间的沟通有关
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when marketing have approached me with more changes and requests
当营销人员向我提出更多更改和要求时
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does that sound fair
这听起来公平吗?
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yes I simply needed clearer estimates from you
是的,我只是需要你更清楚的估计。
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in terms of additional costs and times involved
就所涉及的额外成本和时间而言
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OK so in future I suggest we make it clear
好的,所以将来我建议我们说清楚
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that if there are any further changes and major work
如果有任何进一步的变化和重大工作
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we need to talk
我们需要谈谈
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that way you'll be up to date on progress
这样你就可以了解最新进展
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and you won't be receiving any nasty surprises when the invoice arrives
当发票到来时,也不会收到任何糟糕的意外
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at the same time
同时
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I won't be worried about putting in additional work for free
我不会担心免费投入额外的工作
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that sounds good I think
我觉得听起来不错。
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one thing
一件事
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I think any agreements we make for additional work and time
我认为我们为额外的工作和时间达成的任何协议
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should also be confirmed in writing
也应以书面形式确认
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that's a really sensible idea
这真是个明智的主意
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I need to spend as much time on this project myself as I can
我自己需要在这个项目上投入尽可能多的时间
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so would you be prepared to take on the responsibility for drafting these agreements
那么你准备好承担起草这些协议的责任了吗?
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sure
当然
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I'd prefer it that way myself
我自己更喜欢那样
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great
太好了
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so just to be clear
所以为了清楚起见
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we've agreed that you will send me the replacement invoice taking off the additional charges
我们已经同意你会给我发一张扣除额外费用的替换发票
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and that I'll forget about the late fees
我会忘记滞纳金
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and we've also agreed that in future
我们也同意将来
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you will approach me as soon as you've been asked to do anything extra
一旦你被要求做任何额外的事情,你就会来找我。
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which will affect progress and additional costs
这将影响进度和额外成本
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and that you'll draft confirmations following any discussions
你会在任何讨论后起草确认书
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great that makes life easier
太好了,这让生活更轻松
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I'll confirm this agreement in writing too
我也会以书面形式确认这份协议
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actually Matt
其实马特
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now we've got that out of the way
现在我们已经解决了这个问题
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I need to speak to you
我需要和你谈谈
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because marketing have just told me they
因为营销部门刚刚告诉我他们
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want changes made to the customer's pages
希望对客户的页面进行更改
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IT 服务谈判的视频会议录音。Sabina Kolbeck 是 IT 公司 Save-It 的负责人,她的公司受 QPG 委托更新网站并搭建一套新的内网系统;QPG 这边的对接人是 IT 主管 Matt。
会议已近尾声,Matt 提出最后一项议题:他们财务总监发现上个月的发票上多了一笔网站相关的附加费——即营销页面的额外工作量。
Sabina 的解释是:当初立约时 70% 的费用划给了更复杂的内网项目,而营销部门后来追加的多次修改并不在原协议范围内,合同里也有"额外工作另行收费"的条款。Matt 随即指出同一条款还有后半句——这类费用须经双方同意,而当时只是确认了变更本身、没有确认价格。
争论随后扩展到滞纳金:两个项目都超期了。Sabina 先追问对方真正的关切是什么,把"钱的问题"翻译成"Matt 在团队面前无法交代",再用一个对价式方案破局——本次免掉附加费,换取对方免除滞纳金,同时把"以后有变更必须先谈、且书面确认"写成新规则;起草确认文件的责任也顺势推给了 Matt。
双方口头敲定并互相承诺书面确认。就在此时,Sabina 话锋一转,说营销部门又提出了客户页面的新修改——视频在此处结束。
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